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Partial possession is very limited, for us

I have often said I feel numb. Part of what this means is I'm not sure if I feel the body.

I find your point that tulpas are "forcefully dissociated" by default being a learned thing interesting, though.

I think that's a disingenuous position to take relative to how the physical body is the "true" body for all members of a system

Usually it's either you're possessing or you're not

Because I can read host's mind perfectly.

Unless one of the dragons starts messing with me

That would give some explanation for plural systems with tulpa-like systemmates that front/co-front much more freely

@Tulpabug I think that state of numbness is all psychosomatic, based on your existing predisposition to being in your form and using it's senses

Of course, in our system it was an unconscious choice, as we were textbook tulpas by accident years before hearing a word about tulpamancy.

11:27 AM

So not exclusively "forced", but the idea that it's nonetheless a choice for systemmates to be dissociated from the senses is interesting.

11:27 AM

Also not a concept I've ever heard before.

The idea of a form is generally strong enough to associate ones self with over the body. But I think a tulpa made with no form as voice-only ends up being just as body-capable as the host

Hmm.

11:30 AM

Have seen very few voice-only tulpas.

11:30 AM

Don't believe I ever heard anything about fronting from those systems.

There is no "backing" for a voice only tulpa :p

11:31 AM

Unless they just go idle

Something tells me a host with a voice-only "tulpa" is not as likely to find Tulpa.info in the first place.

They'd probably end up at intervoice

Anyways, as I was saying regarding the nonsense version of switching that apparently has become vogue in my absence: The idea of a "primary" perceiver of stimulus is the most wild thing I have ever heard of, considering that A.) the sensory process is handled at a biochemical level that requires no conscious input B.)the idea of "primary" makes no sense relative to the fact that you can easily have 2 people in equal terms of sensory processing, especially when you have a host who doesn't have disassociation experience C.)the aforementioned sensory entropy point means that a bodily user has to fight/actively counteract bodily senses through affirmation or symbology or other means, meaning that the goal is to work down from 100% sensory input to 0%, which is why the classic feat of switching is much more useful in concept and as a feat: the host learning how to get to 0% from years and years of 100% is a very hard thing to do

do you switch to that extent?

No, that form of switching (which was what the og faq/irish guides detailed) is an imposition style sensory mastery that most people just won't get to. I don't have a practical use for it so I wouldn't ever train for it :p

11:37 AM

It's gimmicky as fuck but it's still a goal for some.

Err,

I was thinking, and this may not be right, but I was still thinking that the main reason that this sort of definition change has happened is because it is either not realistic, or plain old not possible for the average person to pull off.

But it doesn't follow the dictionary definition at all unless tulpas start at 0%

Okay, that sounds like goalpost shifting to me then. :p

in that sort of environment, the definition ends up changing because it just fails to be useful, and "switch" is a way more effective word than "full body posession"

11:38 AM

I don't have much skin in the game for either use of the term, at this point, but that's how I see things happening and why I think they are happening. (edited)

@Tulpabug tulpas can start anywhere from 0-100. The important thing is the host getting out and the tulpa getting in.. If the tulpa is already in, cool

Well, the main point of contention is that the word was actually borrowed from a much older plural community.

The plural communities all use "front" now, don't they?

I think trying to bend a term to be "easy" is a fucked up thing to do, especially if the idea it originally stood for matters to some people.

They use both terms.

switching will always be the best term

the term isn't being bent, it has changed naturally because of the environment

fronting is too tumblr

I agree, clo

11:41 AM

Like, nobody is out advocating for this new definitino of switching

There's an extremely easy way to switch. Fall unconscious while your tulpa controls.

it's just been eroded by a long slow process ofmisuse, misunderstanding, and so on, until at this point the non-classic definition is more commonly used than the classic one

The problem is that the "switch" use here means nothing in context of parallel existence, where fronting still does.

and you can't fight that sort of thing, it's like standing in front of a river

11:43 AM

unless you pull off something big and change the environment that causes the change

Like I don't switch my host out, he's still here this whole time while I lividly write out paragraphs about how people are being wrong and bad

11:43 AM

Doesn't matter that I'm using the body to do so

11:43 AM

He's still 100% checked into the body

The idea of a "primary" perceiver of stimulus is the most wild thing I have ever heard of Sorry, it's just how we are naturally. Always has been, before switching or Tulpa.info, in our nature to be separate. means that a bodily user has to fight/actively counteract bodily senses through affirmation Not so for us really at all. Sounds like a case of your system just working totally differently naturally.

I think it is very average to have to actively fight against sensing things

Okay it kinda sounds like you're bending the terms to make sense for your personal experience :p

^ yep

if you don't have to do that then I would probably say you're the exception, which isn't bad, but just know that you're in the minority on this one, I think

We've always been passively aware of the body's senses, but not personally attached. We (with our imaginary in-mind forms) would not recoil to the body's pain, except out of empathy.

11:44 AM

You say that, but..

I feel like that's a trained response.

You're the outlier here, if we're talking Tulpa.info terminology.

11:45 AM

Post 2013..

It's strange, because in my experience, fighting to block out senses is the same thing as fighting to enter your imagination.

Oh my god buzzwords

I do have to admit, the older members weren't fans of the way newer ones used the term switching in guides for a while.

11:45 AM

"Unfortunately" we agreed with the newer members (having joined in early 2014), and the older ones seem to have just left.

I'm the outlier in how I use the term switching, or that I'd have to actively fight to not percieve the outside world?

Yeah, uh... Those haven't been terms 'til recently if that's the case. The calvinball fun version you've been pushing wasn't around 'til at least 2015 at the earliest cause I still used .info up to that point

and what are the newer vs older members definitions of switching, here?

Uhhh, well I was talking to Maya.

11:46 AM

But, the term switching.

ahh, ok

Strange concept now, though.

11:46 AM

The older definitions were literally first.

11:46 AM

However, they're not commonplace anymore.

Yeah I think it's simply just new people being wrong and goalpost shifting to sound cool :I

I'm guessing 1.5 yrs would be considered newer

Average experience, obviously influenced by the community itself, has drifted away from 2012 days.

11:47 AM

There's pre 2014 and post 2013.

11:47 AM

That's it.

11:47 AM

Lumi seems to have been on the very border of "new" and "old" members, based on his agreeing with "newer" members almost 100% of the time.

No-one actually gave a shit about or used this calvinball version anytime I used .info :p

To be fair, 2013 was a middleground, as that's technically where Lumi's original information on tulpas came from, having joined and researched extensively in early 2014.

nah, .info is way better about not bending to the direction places like reddit have gone

Well, if the calvinball version is full body possession, it's wrong.

I don't think that's a fair statement, Reguile.

"Switching is when the host frolics in the wonderland while the tulpa controls the body, oooh"

Tulpa.info has certainly changed, albeit not in the same ways as other communities in some cases.

I think it's in part the lack of people like falunel being very active in .info, and the lack of a constant inflow of new members

The calvinball version doesn't even care about if possession is even happening

11:49 AM

Which is the most wild part about it

11:49 AM

It doesn't make any sense

But yes, as Apollo said, the only argument I could ever see from the old members was "If the host isn't in the wonderland when """switching""", then you're not switched"

Actually, that part is correct.

the new version defines switching as we used to say "full body posession", but with an added dose of "mind voice switching" on top.

I never could quite understand why that mattered. Some people don't have wonderlands at all.

However, the catatonic state of switching without possession is bizarre.

anyone here successfully switched as the old way was defined?

That's 1000000% goalpost moving if you make switching into full body posession

I am not doing anything

Poor Tulpa has to grapple with definitions despite his system's experience matching basically no one type, from what I've heard.

I'm not saying you are lol

11:51 AM

I'm speaking generally.

okay, I'm bad at the pronoun game